tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post7629141288067211558..comments2023-09-29T09:07:24.854+01:00Comments on Ceredig: What Do They Expect (2)?Ceredighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-39793776800236835462008-02-21T00:27:00.000+00:002008-02-21T00:27:00.000+00:00be wary of Labour people telling Plaid Cymru what ...be wary of Labour people telling Plaid Cymru what to do, both Normal Mouth and Adam Price seem to be on the same wave length on many issues at present, that alone should be sounding alarm bells with Plaid but sadly they are not willing or able to listen.<BR/><BR/>as for the Social Democracy bit, its a total red herring, this is about being back in Total Control in Wales pure and simple and LabourAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-60301799015561838832008-02-20T10:13:00.000+00:002008-02-20T10:13:00.000+00:00There is clearly room to stake out a distinctive p...There is clearly room to stake out a distinctive position on what used to be called the left-right divide. I argued as much a while back. I'm just not sure there's value in occupying a position on the national question that is, in essence, moot nowadays.Normal Mouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07374935277497669293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-20974284566494770182008-02-20T10:07:00.000+00:002008-02-20T10:07:00.000+00:00Norm,In principle, I agree with you - up to a poin...Norm,<BR/><BR/>In principle, I agree with you - up to a point anyway. But I think you're a little premature. <BR/><BR/>Had the referendum on a parliament been held and won, then it would be possible to argue that the essential rationale for Plaid had been, more or less, accomplished, and a change of direction justified. But prior to that point, and with a coalition partner which still looks, Ceredighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-74925990873419026282008-02-19T10:28:00.000+00:002008-02-19T10:28:00.000+00:00Wales is already in a post-national movement scena...Wales is already in a post-national movement scenario. Whatever happens from here, Wales will have her own tier of government and with it extensive autonomy. She may even have independence one day.<BR/><BR/>Plaid now needs to conclude the phase of agitation for national recognition/autonomy and turn itself into a party that can credibly present itself as a modern party of government. From my Normal Mouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07374935277497669293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-5103689765821327332008-02-19T10:05:00.000+00:002008-02-19T10:05:00.000+00:00Norm,“But it is undoubtedly the right thing to do....Norm,<BR/><I>“But it is undoubtedly the right thing to do. “</I><BR/><BR/>Right from whose viewpoint? These aren’t just traditional supporters; they’re the people who fund and run Plaid. Blair was able to risk alienating parts of Labour's core supoort, because he had a stable of tame millionaires who would fund the party; I don't think that Plaid have that luxury.<BR/><BR/>And if Plaid did Ceredighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-3653686909128279472008-02-16T12:29:00.000+00:002008-02-16T12:29:00.000+00:00Vaughan makes a very good argument. I've no doubt ...Vaughan makes a very good argument. I've no doubt that if PC are jettisoning their nationalist baggage it will alienate a number of traditional supporters. But it is undoubtedly the right thing to do.Normal Mouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07374935277497669293noreply@blogger.com