tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post6516888815666386489..comments2023-09-29T09:07:24.854+01:00Comments on Ceredig: Two wolves and a lambCeredighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-22552096240449607072007-12-16T23:11:00.000+00:002007-12-16T23:11:00.000+00:00Johnny Foreigner said"A swift look at our Scots an...Johnny Foreigner said<BR/><BR/>"A swift look at our Scots and Irish cousins will confirm this." <BR/><BR/>It should be noted that the English did a far better job in routing the non-English languages of Scotalnd and Ireland than they apparently did in Wales.<BR/><BR/>Thats the only reason this conversation is even occuring, right? So few Gaelic speakers left in the Ireland and Scotland that even Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-55427864940293232702007-09-21T16:00:00.000+01:002007-09-21T16:00:00.000+01:00Ceredig:Thanks again for a thoughtful and cogent r...Ceredig:<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for a thoughtful and cogent response.<BR/><BR/>It would appear that our thought processes have similarities, despite our ideological differences, wherein we are both guided by our own perceptions of the problems that face us and do not rely on the barrage of questionable statistics that others use in order to support their standpoints.<BR/><BR/>Nevertheless, I find Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-66921321070128284512007-09-21T15:23:00.000+01:002007-09-21T15:23:00.000+01:00Ordo:Until you justify your allegation that I am r...Ordo:<BR/><BR/>Until you justify your allegation that I am racist or withdraw the allegation, I will continue to remind you of this slur. Kindly be assured that I have more experience of racism than you would ever know.<BR/><BR/>If you knew me or my family and friends you would realise that your allegation is clearly ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>I would respectfully refer you to the words of our generousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-83050343120486608832007-09-21T10:53:00.000+01:002007-09-21T10:53:00.000+01:00Johnny,Whether native speakers of Scottish and Iri...Johnny,<BR/><BR/>Whether native speakers of Scottish and Irish Gaelic voluntarily “sacrificed their linguistic 'rights' for the greater good of all” is a moot point; I’m not convinced that the statement represents an entirely objective view of the linguistic history of those countries.<BR/><BR/>However, I think that we have established the fundamental point of disagreement between us on the Ceredighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-64826660277381397782007-09-21T07:12:00.000+01:002007-09-21T07:12:00.000+01:00Your pal, Odourousvindictivus has even labelled me...<I>Your pal, Odourousvindictivus has even labelled me, and libelled me, as a racist for my contrary views. This self-styled free-range Nationalist has yet to take up my invitation to withdraw the assertation and will be reminded from time to time.</I><BR/><BR/>Still obsessing about me, I see. My, it must sting. <BR/><BR/><I>The boy has much to learn in the coming days.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, I have Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-71377124751841442412007-09-20T02:58:00.000+01:002007-09-20T02:58:00.000+01:00Ceredig:Guilty as charged, Your Honour, (said john...Ceredig:<BR/><BR/>Guilty as charged, Your Honour, (said johnny shamefacedly).<BR/><BR/>I must get out of the habit of describing you and some others as nationalists. It's an easy mistake to make as there appears to be a nationalistic aura around the language issue.<BR/><BR/>The 'culture' matter appears to be a problem with many on the blogmosphere. I have asked in many places and have yet to johnny foreignerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08700634762731441268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-83397419507468493922007-09-18T18:07:00.000+01:002007-09-18T18:07:00.000+01:00Johnny,Interesting that you refer to me as one ‘of...Johnny,<BR/><BR/>Interesting that you refer to me as one ‘of our Nationalist brethren’. Methinks that our mutual mate from Dyfed would beg to differ, as would some of my previous anonymous visitors. I fear that this indicates that we are still in want of a clear definition of what exactly, for you, constitutes a nationalist or nationalism.<BR/><BR/>‘Culture’ is another word with a wide range ofCeredighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-21418738339825770892007-09-18T03:11:00.000+01:002007-09-18T03:11:00.000+01:00Now come on, Ceredig, no need to feel 'forlorn'. j...Now come on, Ceredig, no need to feel 'forlorn'. johnny's here and I'm your pal.<BR/><BR/>forlorn: (1). adjective, pitifully <BR/> sad and lonely.<BR/><BR/> (2). Unlikely to succeed<BR/> or be fulfilled.<BR/><BR/>Have you given up already? Surely not.<BR/><BR/>"Courage, Brother, do not stumble,<BR/>though thy path be dark as night...".<BR/><BR/>This English Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-87248547914637485812007-09-17T15:32:00.000+01:002007-09-17T15:32:00.000+01:00Johnny,So many questions! Let me try and respond ...Johnny,<BR/><BR/>So many questions! Let me try and respond to the key points as I see them.<BR/><BR/>Firstly, if you want someone to explain Welsh culture to you, I’m afraid that I’m not your man. I am as dubious as you about some of the definitions of culture, and accept that ‘culture’, in its widest sense, is inevitably something which is continually evolving and changing. For my part, I do Ceredighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-29545187538933451412007-09-17T15:31:00.000+01:002007-09-17T15:31:00.000+01:00Keir Hardly,“Loathe for me to defend Thomas Cook, ...Keir Hardly,<BR/><BR/>“Loathe for me to defend Thomas Cook, but they decided that with a workforce that couldnt all speak in Welsh it was frankly more effective to all converse in english.” <BR/><BR/>Well, yes, that is what they decided. But is it right? If a customer who speaks Welsh and a member of staff who speaks Welsh are happy to converse with each other in that language, why forbid it?Ceredighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-53148783328672082962007-09-13T04:37:00.000+01:002007-09-13T04:37:00.000+01:00Ceredig:Thanks for your response to my posting.Am ...Ceredig:<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your response to my posting.<BR/><BR/>Am I right in thinking that your view would support the suggestion that commercial services involving contact with the public would require to be conducted in Welsh?<BR/> <BR/>Are you seriously suggesting that companies such as Thos. Cook's be required to insist on knowledge of the Welsh language as a prerequisite for a position Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-56944838396878669532007-09-12T14:38:00.000+01:002007-09-12T14:38:00.000+01:00"When it comes to the private sector, I think that..."When it comes to the private sector, I think that the attitudes shown by some companies recently, in attempting to ban their staff from speaking Welsh to each other or to customers, certainly need to be tackled, and I believe that most people in Wales would accept that such bans are unjust. Such attitudes merely encourage those who demand across-the-board compulsion, and it’s easy to see why."<Keir Hardlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15983377370266864674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-7299489282056277522007-09-12T12:13:00.001+01:002007-09-12T12:13:00.001+01:00Mr Hardly,“Toothless or ruthless” is something tha...Mr Hardly,<BR/><BR/>“Toothless or ruthless” is something that worries me too. As one who wants to see the Welsh language thrive, I too have reservations about some of the ideas proposed for legislation, and I would certainly agree that the idea of treating Chepstow and Caernarfon as though the issue was the same is not a recipe for success, if only because of the difficulty in finding Ceredighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-23902876443597986082007-09-12T12:13:00.000+01:002007-09-12T12:13:00.000+01:00Johnny,In your response to lenin cymru, you raise ...Johnny,<BR/><BR/>In your response to lenin cymru, you raise a very valid point about how a non-Welsh speaking manager can monitor the provision of a service if a member of staff and a customer choose to talk to each other in Welsh. It’s clearly impossible for such a person to understand what is happening in that sort of conversation. But it would seem to me that the logical outcome of your Ceredighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07328928643766735216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-90177187006403412632007-09-12T11:02:00.000+01:002007-09-12T11:02:00.000+01:00Yes lets have a new Welsh Languge Act. Hold refere...Yes lets have a new Welsh Languge Act. <BR/><BR/>Hold referendii in each local authority area as to wether the taxpayers money should be wasted on bilingual signs etc.<BR/><BR/>Incidently - friends of mine in the Coast Guard say they have never recieved a "Mayday" or "Pan - pan" in WelshAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-56736550070566774072007-09-12T10:22:00.000+01:002007-09-12T10:22:00.000+01:00Excellent post, but i have a few things.Firstly, y...Excellent post, but i have a few things.<BR/><BR/>Firstly, you cannot enforce an idea that the majority of people who simply have no interest in a bilingual wales. Of course, you want to protect a minority, but any new welsh language legislation will have an impact on all in Wales. Also i think the fractured and varying nature of linguistic divides in Wales makes it very difficult to enforce a Keir Hardlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15983377370266864674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-13964543658953653062007-09-12T04:17:00.000+01:002007-09-12T04:17:00.000+01:00Nice to hear an intelligent view on the subject, C...Nice to hear an intelligent view on the subject, Ceredig. Fortunately this assembly will deliver a new language act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-61406818048031443072007-09-11T23:21:00.000+01:002007-09-11T23:21:00.000+01:00lenin cymru:You posting raises questions in my min...lenin cymru:<BR/><BR/>You posting raises questions in my mind.<BR/><BR/>Whilst I appreciate the difference between absolute and qualified rights, am I to assume that if a Thos. Cook employee, for example, chose to speak in Welsh when dealing with customers against the wishes of, say, a monoglot English manager, then that would be supported by you?<BR/><BR/>If so:<BR/><BR/>Surely that Manager has johnny foreignerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08700634762731441268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-77926102670945261132007-09-11T23:05:00.000+01:002007-09-11T23:05:00.000+01:00Pusillanimous:Adjective: Lacking courage or determ...Pusillanimous:<BR/><BR/>Adjective: Lacking courage or determination, timid.<BR/><BR/>How dare you, Sir. Moi? Nay, Sir. Sesquipedalian at the very least.<BR/><BR/>Another thought provoking posting.<BR/><BR/>I am in much agreement with what you say regarding 'rights' enshrined in law or general acceptance.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, there is a clear expectation of the use of Legislative force in the 'johnny foreignerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08700634762731441268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6517537567072747632.post-21571578880270855852007-09-11T21:57:00.000+01:002007-09-11T21:57:00.000+01:00A very well put point - I hope the Minister for He...A very well put point - I hope the Minister for Heritage is listening. <BR/><BR/>It may be of interest to note that the Human Rights Act sets out two classes of rights: absolute and qualified. Some rights such as the right not to be tortured is absolute. While the right to respect to a private and family life is qualified, so that it can be balanced against other rights.<BR/><BR/>What a Welsh Welsh Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17585109264200933570noreply@blogger.com